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		<title>Comment on Alternative Donations by The Claremont Progressive: Alternative Donations &#171; concerned pomona students</title>
		<link>http://claremontprogressive.com/2012/03/21/alternative-donations-2/#comment-726</link>
		<dc:creator>The Claremont Progressive: Alternative Donations &#171; concerned pomona students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 01:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Claremont Progressive: Link to original article Rather than donating to the Senior Gift, we can choose to donate to alternative funds that directly [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Critique of the Extended Vigil: Building a Stronger Movement by Robin Margolis</title>
		<link>http://claremontprogressive.com/2012/02/09/critique-of-teh-extended-vigil-building-a-stronger-movement/#comment-534</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Margolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Extremely well written (and i&#039;m not just saying that cuz I love you, Spang). On point to end with a call for examining our privilege. Observing efforts from afar and as an alumni, the few visible discussions from students seem to all center more and more on getting increased student representation on the Board of the Trustees. If that happens, great. That said, I sincerely doubt the inclusion of more student perspectives on the Board will do much to help the situation workers face in the future.  

The board didn&#039;t make this decision, despite many of them saying they did, it was made minus the input of the majority of the members and came mostly if not completely from Paul Efron and the Audit Committee (a financial advising committee). Beyond that question of logistics, students are not being truly honest with themselves if they think they can or will adequately represent the interests and perspectives of the Pomona workers. Having both worked on labor issues at Pomona extensively, we both know that most students don&#039;t think about workplace realities on a regular basis and even among the many thoughtful people who do, there are very few students willing to take a meaningful action in opposition of administration or status quo stances. 

I hope recent events have changed the nature of discussion on campus, but I was always frustrated in the past number of years to find how many students turned the unionization efforts into an opportunity to critique other students or to critique workers as lacking strategy or being misled by domineering students and organizers- as if people are willing to take very real risks (as proven by the firings) regarding their livelihood just because students talk persuasively. A union is pretty much the only way dining hall workers receive a regular, reliable voice in how the college is run. If it remains the case that most students believe the administration line that managers need free speech during a unionization process or that these firings had nothing to do with unionization, than I think it&#039;s not hard to understand my skepticism regarding a movement in support of workers becoming a movement demanding increased student voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extremely well written (and i&#8217;m not just saying that cuz I love you, Spang). On point to end with a call for examining our privilege. Observing efforts from afar and as an alumni, the few visible discussions from students seem to all center more and more on getting increased student representation on the Board of the Trustees. If that happens, great. That said, I sincerely doubt the inclusion of more student perspectives on the Board will do much to help the situation workers face in the future.  </p>
<p>The board didn&#8217;t make this decision, despite many of them saying they did, it was made minus the input of the majority of the members and came mostly if not completely from Paul Efron and the Audit Committee (a financial advising committee). Beyond that question of logistics, students are not being truly honest with themselves if they think they can or will adequately represent the interests and perspectives of the Pomona workers. Having both worked on labor issues at Pomona extensively, we both know that most students don&#8217;t think about workplace realities on a regular basis and even among the many thoughtful people who do, there are very few students willing to take a meaningful action in opposition of administration or status quo stances. </p>
<p>I hope recent events have changed the nature of discussion on campus, but I was always frustrated in the past number of years to find how many students turned the unionization efforts into an opportunity to critique other students or to critique workers as lacking strategy or being misled by domineering students and organizers- as if people are willing to take very real risks (as proven by the firings) regarding their livelihood just because students talk persuasively. A union is pretty much the only way dining hall workers receive a regular, reliable voice in how the college is run. If it remains the case that most students believe the administration line that managers need free speech during a unionization process or that these firings had nothing to do with unionization, than I think it&#8217;s not hard to understand my skepticism regarding a movement in support of workers becoming a movement demanding increased student voice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Timeline of Events: Document Check and Community Responses by The Claremont Progressive: Document Check Timeline &#171; concerned pomona students</title>
		<link>http://claremontprogressive.com/2012/02/13/timeline-of-events-document-check-and-community-responses/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>The Claremont Progressive: Document Check Timeline &#171; concerned pomona students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Student-Trustee Taskforce: Proposals for Moving Forward by The Claremont Progressive: Student-Trustee Taskforce: Proposals for Moving Forward &#171; concerned pomona students</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Claremont Progressive: Student-Trustee Taskforce: Proposals for Moving Forward &#171; concerned pomona students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Claremont Progressive: Link to original article By KATHY [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Critique of the Extended Vigil: Building a Stronger Movement by The Claremont Progressive: Critique of the Extended Vigil: Building a Stronger Movement &#171; concerned pomona students</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Claremont Progressive: Critique of the Extended Vigil: Building a Stronger Movement &#171; concerned pomona students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Claremont Progressive: Link to original article By SAMUEL [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on (still) in the spirit of an inclusive and welcoming campus environment by The Claremont Progressive: (still) in the spirit of a welcoming and inclusive campus environment &#171; concerned pomona students</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Claremont Progressive: (still) in the spirit of a welcoming and inclusive campus environment &#171; concerned pomona students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to the first Progressive of the semester! by The Claremont Progressive: Editorial on Document-Check Aftermath &#171; concerned pomona students</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Claremont Progressive: Editorial on Document-Check Aftermath &#171; concerned pomona students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Claremont Progressive: Link to original article We’ve devoted the entire issue to reflecting on the events at the end of last year that shook our [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Board of Trustees Calls for Document Audit by The Claremont Progressive: Board of Trustees Calls for Document Audit &#171; concerned pomona students</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Claremont Progressive: Board of Trustees Calls for Document Audit &#171; concerned pomona students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on A Response to Hegemony by Andrew G</title>
		<link>http://claremontprogressive.com/2011/04/05/a-response-to-hegemony/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 21:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a graduate of the class of 2011, I am grateful for Samuel&#039;s input on this important identity-based issue, particularly in his role as a Head Sponsor.  However, as a member of a class of roughly 395 people from 47 states and 26 foreign countries (WOW!), I have always been under the impression that Pomona&#039;s sponsorship program has indeed lumped and clumped people of similar backgrounds together.  In fact, in my freshman sponsor group, two kids from the SAME TOWN and SAME GROUP OF FRIENDS were selected to live together (of course, they objected to this and were matched with another pair from the sponsor group, throwing off the balance of the group... But I digress).  The issue of &quot;whiteness&quot; in society and at Pomona College in relation to those from the Racial Realist camp (like Abigail Thernstrom, among others) who&#039;ve made careers out of pointing to the reality of people of color/minorities occupying prominent positions and the halls of elite institutions as proof that ACTUAL, deeply imbedded, and systemic race-thinking continues to live on today.  Not only is this apparent in the numerous statistical reports on the ridiculous gap between Black/Latino-White income/education/geographical/prison incarceration--which folks like Thernstrom would have you believe are behavioral, or reflections of a harmful urban culture (among other reasons)--but is an inherent feature of our country&#039;s democracy.  As Anthony Marx demonstrates in his seminal Making Race and Nation (in which he comparatively examines the evolution of explicit/implicit racial democracies in Brazil, the U.S., and S. Africa), in any system of government where race-thinking and racial mythology (i.e. whiteness as the ideal, stigmatization of the &#039;other[s]&#039;) are prominent features in the country&#039;s demographics during its democratic evolution, race is an inherent and essential component of the political system.  No doubt, to deny this is to distort reality.  For discussing this issue, I applaud you.

HOWEVER, and here comes the constructive criticism, as a head sponsor, while it is certainly your prerogative to bring up these issues that are on our thoughtful students&#039; minds (especially people of color/minorities!!), it is NOT OK to alienate the rest of the community with your tone and the sense of urgency you imbue on the issue.  In fact, the best way of approaching this issue is IN THE CLASSROOM (as I have done), through STUDENT DIALOGUE (as we do so much of, informally-in the dining hall, etc.--and formally), and through COMMON SENSE.  Certainly, as a public school Jew from a middle class background, I was alienated in my visits to schools like Amherst, Princeton, Williams, etc. where I COULD SENSE an air of entitlement, elitism, and snobbery from a whole other world that I DIDN&#039;T FIT INTO OR UNDERSTAND.  I chose Pomona because the vibe was the exact opposite-smart, diverse, open people who would talk about almost anything with few qualms.  In my time at Pomona I&#039;ve met and befriended (not to mentioned lived with, in close quarters) people of all color/nationality/socioeconomic background.  This is the plus of Pomona.  But as a student, to sanctimoniously lecture the entire community on what should be learned through experience, intellectual pursuit, empathy, common sense, and love for one another as members of a community, well, it&#039;s self-defeating.  So, here&#039;s my advice, and it&#039;s what President Oxtoby gave us as advice on graduation day: PEOPLE matter, IDEAS matter, and the TRUTH matters.  If you&#039;d kindly be more sensitive to ALL of the people involved, ALL of the ideas involved, while also recognizing the core truths of the situation, the Pomona College community would be the better for it.  That&#039;s all I ask.  The issues you raise are certainly valid, just think how your position, tone, and choice of words/forums matter.

Cheers,

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a graduate of the class of 2011, I am grateful for Samuel&#8217;s input on this important identity-based issue, particularly in his role as a Head Sponsor.  However, as a member of a class of roughly 395 people from 47 states and 26 foreign countries (WOW!), I have always been under the impression that Pomona&#8217;s sponsorship program has indeed lumped and clumped people of similar backgrounds together.  In fact, in my freshman sponsor group, two kids from the SAME TOWN and SAME GROUP OF FRIENDS were selected to live together (of course, they objected to this and were matched with another pair from the sponsor group, throwing off the balance of the group&#8230; But I digress).  The issue of &#8220;whiteness&#8221; in society and at Pomona College in relation to those from the Racial Realist camp (like Abigail Thernstrom, among others) who&#8217;ve made careers out of pointing to the reality of people of color/minorities occupying prominent positions and the halls of elite institutions as proof that ACTUAL, deeply imbedded, and systemic race-thinking continues to live on today.  Not only is this apparent in the numerous statistical reports on the ridiculous gap between Black/Latino-White income/education/geographical/prison incarceration&#8211;which folks like Thernstrom would have you believe are behavioral, or reflections of a harmful urban culture (among other reasons)&#8211;but is an inherent feature of our country&#8217;s democracy.  As Anthony Marx demonstrates in his seminal Making Race and Nation (in which he comparatively examines the evolution of explicit/implicit racial democracies in Brazil, the U.S., and S. Africa), in any system of government where race-thinking and racial mythology (i.e. whiteness as the ideal, stigmatization of the &#8216;other[s]&#8216;) are prominent features in the country&#8217;s demographics during its democratic evolution, race is an inherent and essential component of the political system.  No doubt, to deny this is to distort reality.  For discussing this issue, I applaud you.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, and here comes the constructive criticism, as a head sponsor, while it is certainly your prerogative to bring up these issues that are on our thoughtful students&#8217; minds (especially people of color/minorities!!), it is NOT OK to alienate the rest of the community with your tone and the sense of urgency you imbue on the issue.  In fact, the best way of approaching this issue is IN THE CLASSROOM (as I have done), through STUDENT DIALOGUE (as we do so much of, informally-in the dining hall, etc.&#8211;and formally), and through COMMON SENSE.  Certainly, as a public school Jew from a middle class background, I was alienated in my visits to schools like Amherst, Princeton, Williams, etc. where I COULD SENSE an air of entitlement, elitism, and snobbery from a whole other world that I DIDN&#8217;T FIT INTO OR UNDERSTAND.  I chose Pomona because the vibe was the exact opposite-smart, diverse, open people who would talk about almost anything with few qualms.  In my time at Pomona I&#8217;ve met and befriended (not to mentioned lived with, in close quarters) people of all color/nationality/socioeconomic background.  This is the plus of Pomona.  But as a student, to sanctimoniously lecture the entire community on what should be learned through experience, intellectual pursuit, empathy, common sense, and love for one another as members of a community, well, it&#8217;s self-defeating.  So, here&#8217;s my advice, and it&#8217;s what President Oxtoby gave us as advice on graduation day: PEOPLE matter, IDEAS matter, and the TRUTH matters.  If you&#8217;d kindly be more sensitive to ALL of the people involved, ALL of the ideas involved, while also recognizing the core truths of the situation, the Pomona College community would be the better for it.  That&#8217;s all I ask.  The issues you raise are certainly valid, just think how your position, tone, and choice of words/forums matter.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Response to Hegemony by HF</title>
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		<dc:creator>HF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Daniel,

While the Admissions Office does not publish specific diversity information about the applicant pool, whether it is about racial background, income levels, or other forms of categorization, the information is archived and available. Last year the Asian American Studies program held a joint panel lecture/discussion with AAMP, and the professors on the panel openly discussed the specific percentages and data of admission rates and demographics of the student population at Pomona over the course of the past 2 decades. I am not sure where specifically the professors got their information from, but I also don&#039;t suppose the admissions office would refuse to give out such information if one were to inquire specifically, because it&#039;s not exactly confidential or sensitive information. 

Best,

HF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Daniel,</p>
<p>While the Admissions Office does not publish specific diversity information about the applicant pool, whether it is about racial background, income levels, or other forms of categorization, the information is archived and available. Last year the Asian American Studies program held a joint panel lecture/discussion with AAMP, and the professors on the panel openly discussed the specific percentages and data of admission rates and demographics of the student population at Pomona over the course of the past 2 decades. I am not sure where specifically the professors got their information from, but I also don&#8217;t suppose the admissions office would refuse to give out such information if one were to inquire specifically, because it&#8217;s not exactly confidential or sensitive information. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>HF</p>
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